Headlines saying ‘vaping might cause cancer’ are wildly misleading

it might be helpful to mention when using mice they give exorbitant amounts of the substance. much more concentrated than would enter human lungs at any given time.

Thanks a lot for sharing the news.

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I’ve used a JUUL now for about 5 weeks. I intended to cut one in every 4 cigs by using it. I’ve been a 2-3 pack a day smoker for 10 years and a 1-2 pack a day for almost 20 years before that. I haven’t touched a cig at all in 3 weeks.

I went to the local track yesterday to see if my lungs have improved. Last year at this time after 30 days training I could run 1.5miles and with no training or preparation I ran 2.25miles yesterday. My smokers cough has pretty much gone away completely and I barely use my inhalers that I used to need 3-5x per day. I’ll take my chances with my JUUL.

Previously I’ve used other vape machines and e-cigs and had results that varied, including residue build up in my mouth and more trouble breathing than when smoking.

I believe that the type of vape/e-cig and liquid makes a huge difference and should be studied or factored in.

I’m an ex-smoker…since vaping was invented. E-cigarettes have definitely saved my life. My sincerest thanks to this tech!

You’ve claimed that the study didn’t show that vaping can contribute to cancer risk in animal models…. But it does show that. Rather directly, in fact. Mice are 85% identical to humans when it comes to coding regions in their genome. Because of this, they’re a viable model for studying some human disease processes.

I’ve poisoned myself for 25 years by smoking on the coffin nails and can tell you first hand when I started vaping 6 years ago it was God sent! I could see/smell/taste/breathe/feel much better within the first 2 weeks of switching to vaping. Its ridiculous how the big tobacco greedy companies haven’t had enough money made by contribution to human skulls and skeletons and continue paying off some “unknown lobbyists” to publish all the scare tactics of articles to deter people from longevity and quality of life just so they can make all the $$ and make us people sick and pass us on to the big pharma to continue making $$ by radiation/so called treatments and finally pass us in to the grave (population control). Guess what? Go screw yourselves big pharma and tobacco! People are getting wiser and you’re losing the war!

Hi Michael,
Thank you for writing this article. I am personally doing a research on vaping and your post is helpful. I look forward to reading more of your posts. Cheers!

Aryeh Greenberg’s link is precisely the kind of ridiculous, pseudo-research that places the lives of a billion smokers at risk. Place cultured cells in a dish in contact with any substance and they will die – which, of course, is just the response the researchers sought. It is shameful that the media gives wide coverage to junk science like this and ignores proper studies. Greenberg clearly doesn’t value harm reduction for smokers – fortunately for us in Britain our NHS and medical bodies do.

Not when you read this paper:

http://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2018/01/25/1718185115.full.pdf

I’ve been using ecig for around 6-7 months now, and feel so much better for it. I try to keep up to date with all the research and studies, though this one doesn’t seem as reliable as most. I’m in the process of cutting out nicotine (in stages, almost there…) as I believe the chemical is harmful as well as addictive, which this study also seems to suggest, however a nicotine free ecig study alongside the standard nicotine levels being studied on the mice and human tissue would make an interesting and maybe more informative read.

This doesn’t tell us anything. I thought it was half of smokers not 2/3.

I tell you smoking is danger cause cancer but vaping is not danger because is liquid just for wrap ok

Cancer research UK helped me switch to vaping in February 2017 After reading their first research paper. I was smoking for 23 years. After 7 months I stopped vaping and stopped smoking altogether. Even whilst i was vaping I felt a lot better then when i smoked tabacco products. now I am a proud non smoker.

As Oliver on an earlier comment has already mentioned, changing of the coil in the Njoy. It was one of the first things that was picked up on the forum, no mention in the method of how often the coil was changed, or, how they detected when the coil was in need of changing.
As most if not all ecig users know, even changing a coil, at a regular timed interval, does not insure that any given coil is ok to use for that time interval. The reason being, that even two coils from the manufacturing batch, will not necessarily perform the same. One might last only a couple of days, the other a couple of weeks.
If it is the case, that these “scientists” have a coil that will last 12 weeks, then they have cracked it, as very ecig user on the planet would like to buy some please.
I would like to ask as well. How many mice actually survived the 12 week gassing from a burnt out coil ?

Vaper is water. Water on your lung cause pneumonia. Pneumonia no cure??? Know ppl who just use vape instead fags. 3 ppl i know still vape 2 years on .

E-cig are not as taking in a thousand chemicals that are dangous nicotine is addicti9ve yes but from what I’ve read and seen no more harmful then tea or coffee

I think big tobacco will do or say anything about vaping to be harmful or more harmful than cigarettes just to kept you hooked. Vaping got me off a very bad habit I started at age 12, I’m now 64 and have smoked all this time, what a waste of money. Tried patches and was still smoking with them, waste of money. Tobacco companies should be paying for this not ME, they got me hooked, and our own government could care less as long as they got their fair share of revenue ! Vaping got me off cigs the day I tried it. I think vaping is much safer than what the drug companies are making you take to quit, the side effects alone scare the hell out of me. Just like big oil paying for studies on global warming saying it’s not real, so will tobacco and drug companies will try to discourage vaping.

As others have stated, the study seems pretty flawed. Misusing the e-cigarettes in the study (failing to read the recommended use of the Njoy vape pen) and exposing mice to the extremes of vaping (puff regime consisting of 35-mL puff volumes of 4-s duration at 30-s intervals) stand out to me the most. Are the scientists changing the coils of the e-cigarettes? Do scientists have data on the average amount of use people are getting out of e-cigarettes to give us relevant data (because everything in large quantities is going to present some harmful side-effects)? Are scientists aware of the fact that certain compounds are harmful or even toxic to one species and go completely unnoticed by another? Hopefully this article from cancer research uk will spread so that people aren’t deterred from trying to swap from a life threatening habit to something less harmful by what consistently feels like propaganda and flawed research.

I had been a pack-a-day (20-25), full strength (16mg) smoker for 25 years. I have lost count of the number of times I tried to quit. I started vaping late Jan 2017. By mid Feb, I was down to 6 per day. By June, I had stopped the cigs completely. My sense of smell has come back. I feel and (apparently) look better. I am saving heaps of money. I don’t smell like an ashtray any more. I can no longer tolerate the taste of tobacco (the smell, I can live with).
Switching to vapes is probably the single best decision I have ever made.

Plus, it tastes nice…

Big Tobbaco. You’re dying and us vapers are all clapping.

I have smoked for over 30 years and found it impossible to give up. I spent thousands over the years on acupuncture hypnotherapy and anything else I thought would help. Got myself a vape. Chose a day and I have not picked up a cigarette since! I do however admit to using lozenges on occasion too if the urge got too much. I promised myself I wouldnt ever smoke again. I do worry about the effects as they haven’t been around long enough for any proper analysis on their dangers BUT they can’t be any worse than smoking!

It’s about time these junk scientists were brought to court. If one smoker dies because they didn’t switch, then I’d have the for manslaughter! Well done CRUK for your response.

I am a smoker , but I think the publication of this study is mainly intended for more advertising.

Another liberal based test that shows nothing of the effects on a living person

I’m a vaper, but I really tried to keep an open mind while reading the findings of this study. However, after reading a statement by lead-author Moon-shong Tang, I decided that it’s nothing more than junk science. Asked if smoking was still more harmful than vaping, he said “We don’t know which one is more harmful”. Really? You find some DNA damage in mice and petri dish cells after exposing them to vaporized high-nicotine e-liquid and all of a sudden they’re potentially more dangerous than those carcinogen-infested death sticks? Now I know why they didn’t compare e-cig vapor to cigarette smoke in the study.

I’m another who’s been able to give up a significant cigarette habit only because of vapes. Really has worked for me the past few years. Reassuring to read informed and educated analysis about the relative risks involved. Wish this level of insight was present in some of the media coverage to start with so rebuttal wasn’t needed so frequently. I hope policy decisions will be continue to be evidence led, rather than see vapes placed under increasingly onerous regulations which aren’t supported by the research.

First off all your doing is spreading lies. These posts are completely unfounded with any clinical proof . When every study done by actual Doctors prove the complete opposite of this trash.

Based on what I suspected which was bad research practices it prompted me to research this specific study a bit more in depth. So what did I find?

Quote from the Study: “E-cigarette aerosols from NJOY top fill tanks (NJOY, Inc.) filled with 1.6 mL of e-juice with 10 mg/mL nicotine in a propylene glycol/vegetable glycerin mixture (50/50 by volume; MtBakerVapor MESA). Each day the tanks were filled with fresh e-juice from a stock mixture, and the voltage was adjusted to produce a consistent wattage (∼1.96 A at 4.2 V) for each tank.”

They tested the atomizers at 4.2 volts.

I decided to go to the Njoy website to research further and found This: https://i.imgur.com/6YyaKVD.jpg

Relevant Text:

All NJOY Vape Pen Batteries (including the NJOY Pre-Filled Tank Battery) operate at 3.7V when fully charged.

The NJOY Vape Tank has an atomizer resistance of approximately 2.1 ohms. We do not recommend using NJOY Vape Tanks or NJOY Pre-Filled Tanks with other batteries since we have not tested those.

NJOY specifically states not to use the tanks at over 3.7v, they are specifically designed to be used at 3.7v, the tests were done at 4.2 volts, all the data and time put into this study is a complete waste.

I quit smoking through vaping 3 years ago, I now run a UK based e-liquid manufacturer and have helped thousands on their journey away from tobacco, it amazes me how such powerful Newspapers can make such crazy claims, which are just untrue, what is their agenda? to sell more papers? They never attack smoking, in fact, they actively promote the tobacco companies slightly less harmful alternatives, the last time they did was last month, claiming a study done by the tobacco company themselves had said so. Thank you Cancer research for writing this, I think by pointing this out more lives can be saved, and less sensationalist newspapers will be sold!

I quit smoking 4 years ago but have used an e-cig since then. I never thought I’d give up using the e-cig but got a terrible cough at Christmas and haven’t used it for 4 weeks now. I always used plain tobacco flavour and went from a high dose right down to low. I’m not craving it anymore but occasionally think about it when having a drink as I always used it then. It definitely got to be more of a habbit than a need for nicotine in the end. Anyway ….. 4 weeks so far. Wish me luck x